2 For behold, they rejected all the words of Ether; for he truly told them of all things, from the beginning of man; and that after the waters had receded from off the face of this land it became a choice land above all other lands, a chosen land of the Lord; wherefore the Lord would have that all men should serve him who dwell upon the face thereof;
We see that they rejected all of Ether's words. As discussed in Ether 12, he was a prophet of the Lord, which means his words here are the words of Christ. Are we able to only accept some of the words of Christ? The words of Christ do not represent a buffet in which we can accept the words we like and reject all others. While some may try to only focus on a part of His words, we need to be open to ALL of His words. If you read His words, don't just assume you know what He is trying to say, because we often assume using our background and filters rather than taking the words at face value or what they really mean.
Joseph Smith said the following about interpreting scripture: What is the rule of interpretation? Just no interpretation at all. Understand it precisely as it reads.I have a key by which I understand the scriptures. I enquire, what was the question which drew out the answer, or caused Jesus to utter the parable? (Teachings pg 276)
"He truly told them of all things, from the beginning of man", what would that include? Did he teach about the fall, and how the atonement would be performed on our behalf, such that faith and repentance were needed? He probably mentioned baptism by immersion and by fire and the Holy Ghost, along with the need for us to see Christ in this world. If we look at D&C 132: 22-23, it says, " 22 For strait is the gate, and narrow the way that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the lives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.
23 But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that where I am ye shall be also."
What does it mean to receive Him in the world?
See 2 Nephi 32:6
" 6 Behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh. And when he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh, the things which he shall say unto you shall ye observe to do."
Is receiving Him in the world the same as Him manifesting himself unto one of us?
If we pair those verses with a quote from Joseph Smith about knowledge, it begins to be clear.
"Knowledge saves a man.." - King Follett discourse. What knowledge is it?
And finally, Joseph came out and said that seeing Christ will "peradventure from this time henceforth occupy your attention while you live." King Follett sermon. Knowing God is part of the journey. How can we become like Him if we don't know Him?
Back to all things.
Is it significant that he told them ALL THINGS? When was the beginning of man? Was it before or after the fall?
This land did become a choice land, what's so special about this land? Why do All MEN need to serve Him who dwell on this land? What happens if we don't serve Him? What waters receded off this land? Were they the waters of the flood? Or was this land under water before the flood?
I'm not here to give you all the answers, but to encourage you to ponder these things for yourself.
The next several verses represent what Moroni included as part of ALL THINGS. Let's take a look at them individually.
3 And that it was the place of the New Jerusalem, which should come down out of heaven, and the holy sanctuary of the Lord.
This land is the place for the New Jerusalem. It will come down from heaven. Here we see a parallelism much like what we see in Isaiah to define words. What is the HOLY SANCTUARY of the Lord? Is it not heaven itself? The New Jerusalem will come down from the presence of the Lord.
When will it come down? I do not know, but I suspect that the New Jerusalem is the city of Enoch that must return. The city of Enoch is spoken in Moses 7:62 and truth will I cause to sweep the earth as with a flood, to gather out mine elect from the four quarters of the earth, unto a place which I shall prepare, an Holy City, that my people may gird up their loins, and be looking forth for the time of my coming; for there shall be my tabernacle, and it shall be called Zion, a New Jerusalem.
Moses 7: 63
And the Lord said unto Enoch: Then shalt thou and all thy city meet them there, and we will receive them into our bosom, and they shall see us; and we will fall upon their necks, and they shall fall upon our necks, and we will kiss each other;
So, the New Jerusalem shall come down from heaven, there will be a gathering from the 4 quarters of the earth, and those with Enoch will receive those that are gathered. It is interesting to note that the Lord said "we will kiss each other". He includes himself in that ritual or ordinance. Why? Because he will dwell with them.
Back to Ether
4 Behold, Ether saw the days of Christ, and he spake concerning a New Jerusalem upon this land.
Wow. Ether had at least one vision of Christ's life. Was it anything like what Nephi saw in 1 Nephi 13? What about what alma saw in Alma 7:11-14? What about every other prophet in the book of Mormon as discussed in Helaman 8:19-23?
If you are unsure that these prophets saw Christ, please read the verses in Helaman carefully.
Ether spoke concerning a new Jerusalem upon this land. What land is that?
5 And he spake also concerning the house of Israel, and the Jerusalem from whence Lehi should come—after it should be destroyed it should be built up again, a holy city unto the Lord; wherefore, it could not be a new Jerusalem for it had been in a time of old; but it should be built up again, and become a holy city of the Lord; and it should be built unto the house of Israel
Is this verse still yet in the future? Or did it already happen? Has Jerusalem been rebuilt to be a holy city of God? No. Therefore, it must be destroyed and rebuilt as a holy city.
6 And that a New Jerusalem should be built up upon this land, unto the remnant of the seed of Joseph, for which things there has been a type.
7 For as Joseph brought his father down into the land of Egypt, even so he died there; wherefore, the Lord brought a remnant of the seed of Joseph out of the land of Jerusalem, that he might be merciful unto the seed of Joseph that they should perish not, even as he was merciful unto the father of Joseph that he should perish not.
8 Wherefore, the remnant of the house of Joseph shall be built upon this land; and it shall be a land of their inheritance; and they shall build up a holy city unto the Lord, like unto the Jerusalem of old; and they shall no more be confounded, until the end come when the earth shall pass away.
The New Jerusalem will be for the remnant of Joseph upon this land. There has been a type going on with all of this. Joseph was taken to Egypt and had an inheritance there. His seed were brought here, and have an inheritance here. Egypt is spoken of in Isaiah, the nations upon this land are represented by Egypt in Isaiah. This can be a reference to that type as well.
We learned in verse 3 that the New Jerusalem will come down from heaven, but verse 8 speaks of the remnant of Joseph building up a holy city. Could there be a combination of both?
9 And there shall be a new heaven and a new earth; and they shall be like unto the old save the old have passed away, and all things have become new.
10 And then cometh the New Jerusalem; and blessed are they who dwell therein, for it is they whose garments are white through the blood of the Lamb; and they are they who are numbered among the remnant of the seed of Joseph, who were of the house of Israel.
11 And then also cometh the Jerusalem of old; and the inhabitants thereof, blessed are they, for they have been washed in the blood of the Lamb; and they are they who were scattered and gathered in from the four quarters of the earth, and from the north countries, and are partakers of the fulfilling of the covenant which God made with their father, Abraham.
What does a new heaven mean? How will that happen? Does it have something to do with the elements melting with fervent heat?
The New Jerusalem will come after there is a new earth. Why? Will their coming burn us up and make a new earth? What is significant about those that dwell in the New Jerusalem?
Is being washed in the blood of the lamb the only requirement? What are the others? What are the requirements to be numbered with Joseph's seed? What about being numbered with the seed of Israel as a whole or Abraham? Are there requirements for those as well?
Then the old Jerusalem will be restored. They also will have been washed clean from the blood and sins of this generation by the blood of the Lamb. There will be people from all over the world that gather in the old Jerusalem. Including the lost ten tribes that went north.
12 And when these things come, bringeth to pass the scripture which saith, there are they who were first, who shall be last; and there are they who were last, who shall be first.
I don't have much to say about this verse, but who was first? Who was last? Why does it reverse?
13 And I was about to write more, but I am forbidden; but great and marvelous were the prophecies of Ether; but they esteemed him as naught, and cast him out; and he hid himself in the cavity of a rock by day, and by night he went forth viewing the things which should come upon the people.
Here we see that we are not given the things that Ether told his people. Yet we find it so easy to be lifted up in pride that we have the book of Mormon and so we have more knowledge than everyone else. This people were taught things that we cannot understand. We know so little that we are as infants.
Perhaps our understanding of future events has been quite skewed, and hopefully these words have helped you think about what is to come. There is more to the chapter than first meet the eye. While there are more verses, I will not be discussing them as they are mostly about the history of the remaining people.
Wednesday, January 23, 2019
Tuesday, January 22, 2019
Isaiah 13 / 2 Nephi 23
1 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
What is a burden? The word burden occurs frequently in biblical prophecy, particularly in the books of Isaiah and Jeremiah. I have found it to be foreshadowing a prophecy of destruction or ill events. I believe this word is used because bad news must be such a burden on a prophet, and they probably mourn the unbelief of others.
Joseph Smith along with a few others was told to "preach nothing but repentance unto this generation." (D&C 19:21, Mosiah 18:20) Wouldn't repentance be a burden to preach?
Therefore, we have a prophecy about the destruction of Babylon.
What is Babylon? Where is Babylon? What does Babylon represent today?
In Isaiah's day, Babylon was both a large city and an empire that was quite large. It was full of idolatry, whoredomes, riches, luxuries (for the time), along with entertainment and commerce. Do we not see these same things among us? It could be said that whoredoms, riches, and luxuries are idols. Do you put anything between you and God?
Therefore, Babylon is an idea, it's the concept of seeking the things of this world. In other words, any location or group of people that seek the world before God can be called Babylon, or a part of Babylon. Do most cities (if not all) fit this description?
Revelation 18 speaks of the same topic:
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Please note that the merchants are made rich with Babylon. Why are they made rich? Could it have something to do with idolatry and/or materialism? John also prophesies the destruction of Babylon well after the Babylonian empire was destroyed which means it must exist today.
That sure sounds like the end of the world as we know it. And I'm not one for doom and gloom, but the first verse already went there. let's move on.
2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles.
3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones, for mine anger is not upon them that rejoice in my highness.
These verses represent an exodus in the last days just before the burden of Babylon comes to fruition. If His anger isn't upon those that rejoice in Him, whom is it upon? Have you been sanctified? Do you rejoice in Him? Is rejoicing different than believing in or praising him?
Can you rejoice in His highness without a "hope for a better world"? (Ether 12:4) does this mean that those of us that don't have the sure knowledge will of necessity go through the destruction of Babylon?
I do want to point out that it's very likely that the phrase "shake the hand" denotes a servant beckoning for those prepared few to come and establish Zion in the tops of the mountains.
4 The noise of the multitude in the mountains like as of a great people, a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together, the Lord of Hosts mustereth the hosts of the battle.
Here we have some parallelism that lets mountains represent kingdoms. The shear volume of the multitude that will destroy Babylon will be immense. What nation has the largest standing military? We'll come back to that later.
Who gathers this large force? What does that say about who is in control of the situation?
5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, yea, the Lord, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
The destruction comes from an external source rather than from within. Who will do the destroying? What people will fight the war?
6 Howl ye, for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, every man’s heart shall melt;
8 And they shall be afraid; pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate; and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
These verses describe how bad things will be. Those unprepared will experience fear to a degree that they await the death of a damned soul.
People may proclaim things such as "how could this happen?!" While the righteous will be as Mormon wondering how the people could have fallen. (See Mormon 9?)
What is the meaning of "their faces shall be as flames?" We express emotions with our faces, and flames often represent fierce anger or indignation. Does this foreshadow the angry mobs that will riot when they no longer have food? Once the shock subsides, anger will set in upon those who haven't truly rejoiced in the Lord.
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light; the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
This verse could be taken literally to mean some sort of nuclear winter or cloud cover for an extended period of time. Another level could represent spiritual darkness that covers the land, that the Spirit of the Lord has been/will be removed, along with feeling forsaken by Christ and Heavenly Father.
There could also be a connection to 1 Corinthians 15: 39-41, but I'm not exactly sure how.
11 And I will punish the world for evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay down the haughtiness of the terrible.
It will be due to wickedness that darkness will cover the earth, and there will come a time when the people are ripe for destruction. This will occur along with the abomination of desolation.
We can also see the truth that those who choose to be proud shall fall (on a side note, what are those parades called that are in support of homosexual behaviour?) If we choose to lift ourselves up to be equal with God or above Him through means of the world (I.e. Knowledge, technology, riches etc...), we will only be thrust down. Take Lucifer for example, that's exactly what he did and now where is he?
Lifting oneself up in pride is different than awaking, arising, believing, repenting, getting baptised and so on. As one does these things with full purpose of heart, that one will move away from the desires of the world. They will become a new creature in Christ. (2 Corinthians 2:17) this isn't necessarily perfection, and maybe someday I'll compare the two.
12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.
Why is it "a" man. What kind of man is this? Is this the average guy that does not seek the Lord? The righteous men will be fewer after the destruction. This leads me to believe that some of those that love the Lord will not be called out to Zion before the destruction, but will remain. This will be for a wise purpose in God. From my reading of the scriptures, I can see that the Lord lets the wicked kill the wicked, but Wo unto the wicked that slay the righteous. I can also imagine that those righteous that remain and those slain are called for that purpose.
13 Therefore, I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of Hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.
What does it mean to shake the heavens? The image of shaking a snow globe comes to mind. Will the shaking heavens only be due to the movement of the earth, or something more? Will the earth move at the same time the heavens are shaken?
When will He accomplish this? In His wrath. It appears that the wrath is an event, but a separate event, other than the day of the Lord.
The rest of this chapter is full of imagery, which gives us a clue as to how wicked the world will be. They won't even value a newborn baby. This is pretty horrifying stuff. Below is the rest of the chapter.
14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up; and they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.
15 Every one that is proud shall be thrust through; yea, and every one that is joined to the wicked shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled and their wives ravished.
17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver and gold, nor shall they delight in it.
18 Their bows shall also dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees’ excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.
21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.
22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces; and her time is near to come, and her day shall not be prolonged. For I will destroy her speedily; yea, for I will be merciful unto my people, but the wicked shall perish.
With all of this tragedy, there is hope. He will be merciful to His people. Let's turn our hearts to Jesus Christ and ask him to root out our shortcomings, and our weaknesses; that we may be called His people.
What is a burden? The word burden occurs frequently in biblical prophecy, particularly in the books of Isaiah and Jeremiah. I have found it to be foreshadowing a prophecy of destruction or ill events. I believe this word is used because bad news must be such a burden on a prophet, and they probably mourn the unbelief of others.
Joseph Smith along with a few others was told to "preach nothing but repentance unto this generation." (D&C 19:21, Mosiah 18:20) Wouldn't repentance be a burden to preach?
Therefore, we have a prophecy about the destruction of Babylon.
What is Babylon? Where is Babylon? What does Babylon represent today?
In Isaiah's day, Babylon was both a large city and an empire that was quite large. It was full of idolatry, whoredomes, riches, luxuries (for the time), along with entertainment and commerce. Do we not see these same things among us? It could be said that whoredoms, riches, and luxuries are idols. Do you put anything between you and God?
Therefore, Babylon is an idea, it's the concept of seeking the things of this world. In other words, any location or group of people that seek the world before God can be called Babylon, or a part of Babylon. Do most cities (if not all) fit this description?
Revelation 18 speaks of the same topic:
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Please note that the merchants are made rich with Babylon. Why are they made rich? Could it have something to do with idolatry and/or materialism? John also prophesies the destruction of Babylon well after the Babylonian empire was destroyed which means it must exist today.
That sure sounds like the end of the world as we know it. And I'm not one for doom and gloom, but the first verse already went there. let's move on.
2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles.
3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones, for mine anger is not upon them that rejoice in my highness.
These verses represent an exodus in the last days just before the burden of Babylon comes to fruition. If His anger isn't upon those that rejoice in Him, whom is it upon? Have you been sanctified? Do you rejoice in Him? Is rejoicing different than believing in or praising him?
Can you rejoice in His highness without a "hope for a better world"? (Ether 12:4) does this mean that those of us that don't have the sure knowledge will of necessity go through the destruction of Babylon?
I do want to point out that it's very likely that the phrase "shake the hand" denotes a servant beckoning for those prepared few to come and establish Zion in the tops of the mountains.
4 The noise of the multitude in the mountains like as of a great people, a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together, the Lord of Hosts mustereth the hosts of the battle.
Here we have some parallelism that lets mountains represent kingdoms. The shear volume of the multitude that will destroy Babylon will be immense. What nation has the largest standing military? We'll come back to that later.
Who gathers this large force? What does that say about who is in control of the situation?
5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, yea, the Lord, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
The destruction comes from an external source rather than from within. Who will do the destroying? What people will fight the war?
6 Howl ye, for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, every man’s heart shall melt;
8 And they shall be afraid; pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate; and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
These verses describe how bad things will be. Those unprepared will experience fear to a degree that they await the death of a damned soul.
People may proclaim things such as "how could this happen?!" While the righteous will be as Mormon wondering how the people could have fallen. (See Mormon 9?)
What is the meaning of "their faces shall be as flames?" We express emotions with our faces, and flames often represent fierce anger or indignation. Does this foreshadow the angry mobs that will riot when they no longer have food? Once the shock subsides, anger will set in upon those who haven't truly rejoiced in the Lord.
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light; the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
This verse could be taken literally to mean some sort of nuclear winter or cloud cover for an extended period of time. Another level could represent spiritual darkness that covers the land, that the Spirit of the Lord has been/will be removed, along with feeling forsaken by Christ and Heavenly Father.
There could also be a connection to 1 Corinthians 15: 39-41, but I'm not exactly sure how.
11 And I will punish the world for evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay down the haughtiness of the terrible.
It will be due to wickedness that darkness will cover the earth, and there will come a time when the people are ripe for destruction. This will occur along with the abomination of desolation.
We can also see the truth that those who choose to be proud shall fall (on a side note, what are those parades called that are in support of homosexual behaviour?) If we choose to lift ourselves up to be equal with God or above Him through means of the world (I.e. Knowledge, technology, riches etc...), we will only be thrust down. Take Lucifer for example, that's exactly what he did and now where is he?
Lifting oneself up in pride is different than awaking, arising, believing, repenting, getting baptised and so on. As one does these things with full purpose of heart, that one will move away from the desires of the world. They will become a new creature in Christ. (2 Corinthians 2:17) this isn't necessarily perfection, and maybe someday I'll compare the two.
12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.
Why is it "a" man. What kind of man is this? Is this the average guy that does not seek the Lord? The righteous men will be fewer after the destruction. This leads me to believe that some of those that love the Lord will not be called out to Zion before the destruction, but will remain. This will be for a wise purpose in God. From my reading of the scriptures, I can see that the Lord lets the wicked kill the wicked, but Wo unto the wicked that slay the righteous. I can also imagine that those righteous that remain and those slain are called for that purpose.
13 Therefore, I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of Hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.
What does it mean to shake the heavens? The image of shaking a snow globe comes to mind. Will the shaking heavens only be due to the movement of the earth, or something more? Will the earth move at the same time the heavens are shaken?
When will He accomplish this? In His wrath. It appears that the wrath is an event, but a separate event, other than the day of the Lord.
The rest of this chapter is full of imagery, which gives us a clue as to how wicked the world will be. They won't even value a newborn baby. This is pretty horrifying stuff. Below is the rest of the chapter.
14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up; and they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.
15 Every one that is proud shall be thrust through; yea, and every one that is joined to the wicked shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled and their wives ravished.
17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver and gold, nor shall they delight in it.
18 Their bows shall also dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees’ excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.
21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.
22 And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces; and her time is near to come, and her day shall not be prolonged. For I will destroy her speedily; yea, for I will be merciful unto my people, but the wicked shall perish.
With all of this tragedy, there is hope. He will be merciful to His people. Let's turn our hearts to Jesus Christ and ask him to root out our shortcomings, and our weaknesses; that we may be called His people.
The Gospel - part 3: Baptism
This post is going to be more about baptism being part of the doctrine, and its history rather than the symbolism and necessity of it.
Let's begin with confirming that baptism is part of the doctrine of Christ, " 11 And the Father said: Repent ye, repent ye, and be baptized in the name of my Beloved Son.
12 And also, the voice of the Son came unto me, saying: He that is baptized in my name, to him will the Father give the Holy Ghost, like unto me; wherefore, follow me, and do the things which ye have seen me do." (2 Nephi 31)
"32 And this is my doctrine, and it is the doctrine which the Father hath given unto me; and I bear record of the Father, and the Father beareth record of me, and the Holy Ghost beareth record of the Father and me; and I bear record that the Father commandeth all men, everywhere, to repent and believe in me.
33 And whoso believeth in me, and is baptized, the same shall be saved; and they are they who shall inherit the kingdom of God." (3 nephi 11)
"5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3)
From these verses we can see that the doctrine taught is the same before Christ came in the flesh, while he was in the flesh, and following his resurrection. In a later post I'll show why this is significant.
Baptism was spoken of by the Father, and then by Christ. Why would Nephi say "the Father hath said..." if he didn't hear the voice of the Father?
Christ reaffirms that it is also the doctrine of the Father in 3rd nephi.
Its history
Baptism was not something invented by John the Baptist or by Nephi. It was a common practice in the Torah, and Adam was also baptized.
"13 And when he that hath an issue is cleansed of his issue; then he shall number to himself seven days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running water, and shall be clean." (Leviticus 15)
64 "And it came to pass, when the Lord had spoken with Adam, our father, that Adam cried unto the Lord, and he was caught away by the Spirit of the Lord, and was carried down into the water, and was laid under the water, and was brought forth out of the water." (Moses 6)
Isaiah also mentions the waters of Judah, and Nephi clarified this to mean waters of baptism. (See Isaiah 48 and 1 Nephi 20, verse 1)
While baptism was mentioned, there doesn't seem to be evidence that many understood baptism unto repentance. It is obvious that Moses had an understanding from the book of Moses, but Abraham makes no mention of it, nor do most of the books of the old testament.
Does this indicate something? At a minimum it indicates a few possibilities: we're expected to know about it, translators removed many examples but left the New testament ones or even the idea that baptism was more about ceremonial cleanliness in the old testament rather than repentance.
The translators didn't remove the New testament ones, so errors with scribes seems less likely. And while an argument could be made with the bible about ceremonial cleanliness, Moses 6 shows Adam understood baptism was related to repentance:
53 "And our father Adam spake unto the Lord, and said: Why is it that men must repent and be baptized in water? And the Lord said unto Adam: Behold I have forgiven thee thy transgression in the Garden of Eden."
That leaves us with the idea that we are supposed to have an understanding of baptism from sources other than the old testament texts. Nephi didn't speak of baptism being something new. He must have known about it from previous knowledge, meaning the Jews had an understanding of it before the destruction shortly after 600 B.C.
There is an article in the Jewish encyclopedia that I found to be well worth reading HERE
This article states, "Baptism was practised in ancient Judaism, first as a means of penitence..." And then later, "To receive the spirit of God, or to be permitted to stand in the presence of God, man must undergo Baptism"
I find it curious that it also said, "In order to pronounce the name of God in prayer in perfect purity, the Essenes underwent Baptism every morning." Essenes were a sect of Judaism that existed until the destruction of Jerusalem around 600 B.C.
From our current culture, baptism seems to start with John the Baptist, but the New testament writers do not explain baptism, or that it was a new practice among them, just that John was baptizing.
Mosiah 18 shows that baptism is a way to witness before God that you covenant with Him.
" 10 Now I say unto you, if this be the desire of your hearts, what have you against being baptized in the name of the Lord, as a witness before him that ye have entered into a covenant with him, that ye will serve him and keep his commandments, that he may pour out his Spirit more abundantly upon you?"
In conclusion, baptism was used before Christ came, and is still used today to witness before God that we will serve him for the rest of our mortal lives.
Let's begin with confirming that baptism is part of the doctrine of Christ, " 11 And the Father said: Repent ye, repent ye, and be baptized in the name of my Beloved Son.
12 And also, the voice of the Son came unto me, saying: He that is baptized in my name, to him will the Father give the Holy Ghost, like unto me; wherefore, follow me, and do the things which ye have seen me do." (2 Nephi 31)
"32 And this is my doctrine, and it is the doctrine which the Father hath given unto me; and I bear record of the Father, and the Father beareth record of me, and the Holy Ghost beareth record of the Father and me; and I bear record that the Father commandeth all men, everywhere, to repent and believe in me.
33 And whoso believeth in me, and is baptized, the same shall be saved; and they are they who shall inherit the kingdom of God." (3 nephi 11)
"5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3)
From these verses we can see that the doctrine taught is the same before Christ came in the flesh, while he was in the flesh, and following his resurrection. In a later post I'll show why this is significant.
Baptism was spoken of by the Father, and then by Christ. Why would Nephi say "the Father hath said..." if he didn't hear the voice of the Father?
Christ reaffirms that it is also the doctrine of the Father in 3rd nephi.
Its history
Baptism was not something invented by John the Baptist or by Nephi. It was a common practice in the Torah, and Adam was also baptized.
"13 And when he that hath an issue is cleansed of his issue; then he shall number to himself seven days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running water, and shall be clean." (Leviticus 15)
64 "And it came to pass, when the Lord had spoken with Adam, our father, that Adam cried unto the Lord, and he was caught away by the Spirit of the Lord, and was carried down into the water, and was laid under the water, and was brought forth out of the water." (Moses 6)
Isaiah also mentions the waters of Judah, and Nephi clarified this to mean waters of baptism. (See Isaiah 48 and 1 Nephi 20, verse 1)
While baptism was mentioned, there doesn't seem to be evidence that many understood baptism unto repentance. It is obvious that Moses had an understanding from the book of Moses, but Abraham makes no mention of it, nor do most of the books of the old testament.
Does this indicate something? At a minimum it indicates a few possibilities: we're expected to know about it, translators removed many examples but left the New testament ones or even the idea that baptism was more about ceremonial cleanliness in the old testament rather than repentance.
The translators didn't remove the New testament ones, so errors with scribes seems less likely. And while an argument could be made with the bible about ceremonial cleanliness, Moses 6 shows Adam understood baptism was related to repentance:
53 "And our father Adam spake unto the Lord, and said: Why is it that men must repent and be baptized in water? And the Lord said unto Adam: Behold I have forgiven thee thy transgression in the Garden of Eden."
That leaves us with the idea that we are supposed to have an understanding of baptism from sources other than the old testament texts. Nephi didn't speak of baptism being something new. He must have known about it from previous knowledge, meaning the Jews had an understanding of it before the destruction shortly after 600 B.C.
There is an article in the Jewish encyclopedia that I found to be well worth reading HERE
This article states, "Baptism was practised in ancient Judaism, first as a means of penitence..." And then later, "To receive the spirit of God, or to be permitted to stand in the presence of God, man must undergo Baptism"
I find it curious that it also said, "In order to pronounce the name of God in prayer in perfect purity, the Essenes underwent Baptism every morning." Essenes were a sect of Judaism that existed until the destruction of Jerusalem around 600 B.C.
From our current culture, baptism seems to start with John the Baptist, but the New testament writers do not explain baptism, or that it was a new practice among them, just that John was baptizing.
Mosiah 18 shows that baptism is a way to witness before God that you covenant with Him.
" 10 Now I say unto you, if this be the desire of your hearts, what have you against being baptized in the name of the Lord, as a witness before him that ye have entered into a covenant with him, that ye will serve him and keep his commandments, that he may pour out his Spirit more abundantly upon you?"
In conclusion, baptism was used before Christ came, and is still used today to witness before God that we will serve him for the rest of our mortal lives.
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